Ran into Abe.... looking for Abe...

[8------D]

muahahahahaha

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:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

[Vampire Cockroach]

pwnt

[Yareka]

brutal.....just brutal. Come sunday before his car rolls off the dyno, it will be sorted.

[TurboMatt]

sorry abe i got you message about the race. i had to go to spartenburg for another boring ass BMW school, by the way i hate the new Z4 M coupe thats coming out. what a POS!:dunceblock: the school was basically about all the problems that they already have. hahaha. anyways we need to put that Fuel pump in so you can get more boost. weekends are better for me.

[TurboMatt]

totally forgot about the school i was suposed to go to the import showdown at peidmont and to play golf today but plans got canceled :thumbsdown2:

[8------D]

seriously though im suspecting serious boost leak, lack of tunning, 85F humid weather and stock fuel pump. i should have been crushed!

[dekroon]

seriously though im suspecting serious boost leak, lack of tunning, 85F humid weather and stock fuel pump. i should have been crushed!

Turbo lag, low shift points and perhaps slipping clutch are parts of his problem.

[8------D]

we did a 60mph roll, both in meat of the powerband 3.5-4k and both in 3rd gear, so doubt turbo lag was issue. he gotta have major boost leak, because i certainly am not anywhere near 250+whp

[a4wdhybrid]

i wish 3.5k was meat of my powerband :smack:

[dekroon]

At 60mph, 3rd gear in the 5speed would of been alot of lag to compensate for with abe's turbo. You punch it and have a good 2-3 second head start, then Abe starts to spool. By the time he was spooled you probably had a couple cars on him and gaining momentum on top of that. The m3 is no slouch, but you have better gearing, more displacement and NA power on tap.

I also think had Abe spooled and the M3 was playing keep up, the results would of been alot different.

Personally I would of slowed down to about 55, rev match and let second rip til about 7k to stay within the powerband on abe's car.

Had you all ran 5th out, I'm sure Abe would of walked you down had he shifted higher in the rpms.

[8------D]

we can try that next weekend. i still think something big is wrong with the car, because even if i did gain momentum, he still should have walked me easily. i was gaining on him throughout the entire fourth. my 3rd is good to 100mph, fourth is past 130mph.

[dekroon]

we can try that next weekend. i still think something big is wrong with the car, because even if i did gain momentum, he still should have walked me easily. i was gaining on him throughout the entire fourth. my 3rd is good to 100mph, fourth is past 130mph.
Remember we are talking abe currently is probably around 250 or less.
A 2-3 second head start would equate to abe loosing the race just because of lag. I'm basing this purely on Abe being in 3rd @ 60mph....

The 1/4 mile numbers for similar cars, are not more than 1.5 seconds apart. So highway pulls are going to be steady walks.

I'd say there is probably less than 50hp between your 2 cars at their current tunes.

[8------D]

Abe said he was at 3.5-4k at 60mph. I mean isnt that a good place to start the roll? Then we agree something has to be wrong other than tune that he is making 250hp with 16psi of boost.

[a4wdhybrid]

16psi is the problem

[pinky]

Abe said he was at 3.5-4k at 60mph. I mean isnt that a good place to start the roll? Then we agree something has to be wrong other than tune that he is making 250hp with 16psi of boost.

rpm means nothing if there is no load on the engine. 60mph cruising on the highway is a lot different that 60mph at full throttle. if he was cruising, then rolled on, the turbo proably still took a second or two to fully spool.

and, 16psi is the other problem.

[TurboMatt]

he may not be reaching fu boost

[a4wdhybrid]

if i am going to do a 3rd gear run i can get a much better pull if i roll into the throttle a little in 4th, get the turbo spinning, and then slam it in to 3rd...as opposed to cruising in 3rd and then going wot

[8------D]

rpm means nothing if there is no load on the engine. 60mph cruising on the highway is a lot different that 60mph at full throttle. if he was cruising, then rolled on, the turbo proably still took a second or two to fully spool.

and, 16psi is the other problem.

of course, thats given if hes not on throttle, he is not in boost. thats the offset you get by having a turbo. going from a roll has never been going full throttle to 60mph and then continuing on to whatever speed.
anyhow engine is still at load, just not as significant as it would be if he was on throttle. it's not like he is cruising in neutral.

[dekroon]

It's the couple of seconds when he is @ WOT that he is not in boost, that's the lag that lost him the race.

Alot of it has to do with the gearing and shift points. Abe is accustomed to the k03 powerband. It fell off after 6000, his new turbo does'nt, he now realizes he can shift higher in the rpms now. Abe's tach is also a little off rpm wise, and from what I've seen and logged on his car it's about 200rpm on the highside.

[pinky]

ok.. very little load...

[8------D]

^^right, i agree, but having a bigger turbo and associated turbo lag is something that has to be present going from a roll, unless we change how a typical roll race is being done.

what me and Abe were talking last nite is why he wasnt closing in after he was deep into 4th and in full boost? thats why i mentioned earlier that this is far from complete until he gets his fuel pump, 21psi and adequate tune.

[evan@absolute]

doesn't this just mean you owned his ass and you should be talking shit about it. :gt-ogb-spank: :upyeah:

[8------D]

haha not really, im just messing with him. Abe and I worked on it quite a bit and I want to see that GTI use that turbo to its full potential. can you imagine what a sin would it be to convert Abe into a N/A man. i would never forgive that to myself :D

[TurboMatt]

no no not abe aka, ak abe aka, turbo abe:cool:

[TIMYAA]

o man this is a funny thread :D me and my bro were with bojan an abe the whole day during this mess since abe came down so my bro could fix his exhuast. abe's car at the moment is not at its full potential as we all know, my bro has a mk3 vr6 and did a pull with bojan on the highway and they were door to door for the most part of it. dont get me wrong an m3 has ton's more power than a stock mk3 and will do it damage. my point is abe did not do the pull right imo and as his car is now should of pulled on bojan :p

[evan@absolute]

I can see the vr6 guys getting the keyboards warmed up now.:D

[dekroon]

I can see the vr6 guys getting the keyboards warmed up now.:D

talking in 3rd person now?

[gerich]

oh good grief, Abe has a stock clutch(those barely hold up to a chip/dp combo), still needs an inline fuel pump(running lean up top is bad mmmkay),and then needs a few tweeks on lemmiwinks and some log time. Until all of this is taken care ofI wouldn't being trying to make any assumptions about why the car ran the way it did. a rwd na I6 to a fwd turboI4???? havent we already discussed the apples and oranges nature of this conversation. . The car needs a good bit more work to get the setup right and making good power. So far every other BT project around here has taken a good bit of time to get running properly. Why would this one be different?

[VMI 02 GTI]

oh good grief, Abe has a stock clutch(those barely hold up to a chip/dp combo), still needs an inline fuel pump(running lean up top is bad mmmkay),and then needs a few tweeks on lemmiwinks and some log time. Until all of this is taken care ofI wouldn't being trying to make any assumptions about why the car ran the way it did. a rwd na I6 to a fwd turboI4???? havent we already discussed the apples and oranges nature of this conversation. . The car needs a good bit more work to get the setup right and making good power. So far every other BT project around here has taken a good bit of time to get running properly. Why would this one be different?


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Listen to the masta...

[Ak-Abe]

it is not over yet. Very soon i will be ready to pull on e46's. It is alright he has the right to brag alittle he finally pulled on me. I've owned him alot of times whenever he had the GTI but only time could telll my freinds no worries... :) :) :) :) :) :) my front tag gonna be e36 killa... mouwahahahhaah soon soon :D :D

[8------D]

Gerich, you make a point, ill shut my mouth now :) , but i just love messin with Abe :poke:

Tim, the only time your bro was even with me was when i went from 4th. I love you too. :)


btw, M3 left me stranded today on I-40. overheated, coolant boiled over, leaked out all over I-40 (clutch fan died)...had fun in 98F weather.

[Ak-Abe]

i told you bojan you should have driven the other m3 , because whenever we met up the car was already over heating. As long as you made it home.:)

[8------D]

the other one has vacuum leaks and other problems :gt-lgb-paranoid:

i hope i sort out my problems my end of the week

[TIMYAA]

love you to man :D damn so the fan did die then, we should of fixed all the probs when we were at the shop :)

[Ak-Abe]

yeah boy .:)