oh shit....

[TurboMatt]

well after hearing the damn turbo bolt fall out again, i got home and decided to work on my car and its worse then expected. one of the bolts holding the turbo on fell out AGAIN and one was loose again. well the one that fell out is stripped out, so i guess i got some work on my hands this weekend. luckily i have the old 1973 BMW 2002 to drive.

P.s. Ian are you working saturday because i may need to pick up some parts either tomorrow or saturday?

[a4wdhybrid]

yea..i work saturday

let me know tomorrow before 1pm what you need and i can overnight it so it will be there saturday

[TIMYAA]

damn matt!! you must be hitting fu-boost :D :D

[TurboMatt]

well i got my turbo off today and on of the bolt holes that holds the tubo to the manifold was fucked and one of the studs that holds the down pipe to the turbo was broke. so the car is on jack stands in my garage and im gonna send the turbo out monday to motor master machine shop and get them to drill and tap a new hole and put a stud back in it. I may need some help putting the turbo back on when i get it back!! any takers???? oh and Ian im gonna call you at work monday or tuesday to order some new gaskets.

[gerich]

Don't put that little pos turbo back on that car! Travis's turbo was a nightmare to put back on . UPGRADE!!!!!

[TurboMatt]

$$$$$$$$ I dont have it right know. well i do but i dont want to explain to diane why im late getting the engagment ring.:beadygrinner: yeah it was a pain to take off but i did one today at work and learned a trick:gt-ogb-spank:

[Yareka]

unless you talked the turbo into putting itself onto the car...its still going to be a pain in the ass. I swear the manifold and turbo was installed/removed four times before we were all happy with it.

[TurboMatt]

well got my turbo bolted up this morning and the oil and coolant lines routed. now i just have to put the IC pipeing back and put the down pipe and TIH on:oddeye-hellyeah:. should be done tomorrow.

[TurboMatt]

well after finishing my turbo install this morning i realize that i dont want to do that again on my time. i wouldnt mind doing it at work though being we have all the stuff to do it easily there. so i think by the end of this year im gonna go BT. i have talked it over with diane and i will have enough to get diane her ring and go BT. i think that im gonna go the T3s60 route like Abe. just need to start putting things together soon like a fuel pump and fmic to start.

[Ak-Abe]

that's good news my freind. the ring and the BT .. If ou need any info on what is needed let me know. As for installation whenever the BT is at your front door. We will have it on in no time.. i am pritty sure..:)

[TurboMatt]

well i may be going BT afterall. i finished putting the turbo on today and noticed that the turbo is leaking:( . so im gonna tow it to our shop in the morning and see if its gonna be a quick fix. if i have to take the turbo off again then im gonna go ahead and get a t3s60. if anyone can spill some info on the t3s60 that would help alot (like what is needed):oddeye-hellyeah:

[pinky]

turbo (duh)
manifold
downpipe
software (revo BT)
i'd suggest a FMIC
injectors (440s)

[gerich]

rods
balance bottom end
l'w flywheel w/ VR6 clutch kit
LSD

[TurboMatt]

well ive been talking with clay (rippenralf) and he giving me a price of about 1800.00 with everything but the furl pump, injectors, and the revo BT upgrade. does that sound fair?

[pinky]

what exactly does that include?

turbo/dp/manifold/injectors? anything else?

[evan@absolute]

what's leaking on the turbo? That's not usually how they fail. That's usually something external like an install issue. If they do leak it's the seals inside and so it smokes like hell instead of leaking to the outside.

[TurboMatt]

its the banjo bolt from the coolant line that bolts to the turbo. im gonna see if i can fix it tonight, but if i have to take the turbo off then im gonna go BT. also another one of the bolt hole that holds the turbo on is fucked. and if i take it off it may strip. the turbo is on there nice now but its just that damn leak.:mad:


this is the email clay sent me:
Matt, you're going to need turbo, manifold, downpipe, inlet pipe,
injectors, vr6 maf housing, oil feed line, oil return line, install
hardware, fuel pump and a host of other things. The turbo hardware kit is
probably going to be around 1895USD shipped, then you'll need injectors
and a fuel pump. You can upgrade to the REVO big turbo software and that
should be good to get you going.

Cheers,


Clay

[a4wdhybrid]

abe's stuff from him was pretty complete...minus the couple hiccups along the way

i would go w/ something other than a super 60 though..just to be different

[pinky]

ooh.. 28rs!

[TurboMatt]

well the T3s60 is a go. couldnt fix it. man that was hard convencing myself and diane why i need this turbo:sex0ring-up:

[Ak-Abe]

I am glad that you have chosen to go BT. I am pritty sure that lots of people will help . At least i will lol.
he will send you
turbo manifold 20v
downpipe, in turbo do
oil line 44
t3 t4 drain flange
JIC male-4 drain flange
Adaptar
Gear clamp
oil drain fitting
lock nut 8mm copper
stud 8mm x 20mm
stud tap and nut end
Inlet pipe set (make to tell him to send you the Black metal TIH )
Hose, blk rubber push.
t3super60 Turbo :oddeye-hellyeah:
couple of other stuff .... but don't remember what.


Wait on injectors till i get the USRT which should be in the end of this week . GIve me another week till i try them out and see if they fix my cold starts and my idle craziness.
Awesome pick on a turbo. You'll like it great daily driver.
i am pritty sure you will enjoy it .:upyeah:

[Yareka]

I know you already made the purchase but there are some really good deals in the vortex classifieds right now. Used isnt neccessarily the best route but if you get a good feeling about it and ask the right questions, you might be good to go. I bought my 28r kit for 900 last year around this time and just sold it for 850, and I kept most of the hardware it came with. Clay was very good to Abe about fixing mishaps along the way, and that makes things much easier. When I had mishaps, I had to wait for three day shipments from atp. In all honesty, I learned a hell of a lot more by piecing a kit together instead of buying a preassembled kit.

Different strokes:wanker: :D

[Yareka]

Wait on injectors till i get the USRT which should be in the end of this week . GIve me another week till i try them out and see if they fix my cold starts and my idle craziness.
Awesome pick on a turbo. You'll like it great daily driver.
i am pritty sure you will enjoy it .:upyeah:

Abe I cant guarantee things yet...but I think I may have found the problem to our idle issues. Try secondary air, n112, and n249. I removed all of these during my buildup and my idle is rock solid. I need to get the cel and readiness codes taken care of, but this may be the mod of the century on higher mileage cars.

[Vampire Cockroach]

Try secondary air, n112, and n249. I removed all of these during my buildup and my idle is rock solid. I need to get the cel and readiness codes taken care of, but this may be the mod of the century on higher mileage cars.

yessir, it rocks doesn't it? :upyeah:

do you still need resistors? I guess I am not much help since I am miles away from home and my car, but im sure I could set something up for you or get them somehow so you can pick them up

[Ak-Abe]

n112 and n249..must go ...:)

[a4wdhybrid]

you guys are behind the times

mines been gone :)

i think travis was the original though :cool:

[pinky]

my idle is rock solid.

you got it running?

sweeeet.

[Yareka]

Yes...its up and running:gt-bb-chongin:

Just putzing around getting her broken in. The suspense is kiling me:gt-ogb-spank:

Helke...I'll probably order a bunch of those 330ohm resistors, which wattage did you end up with. I keep hearing 5 or higher on all of those sensors will keep things happy. People keep mentioning simply pulling out the plug and crossing the wires to form a loop....any ideas on this. I might try it before the resistor?

Ian...you're always a step ahead of the ball game...but not all of us have the the little CEL helper behind us come emissions time. I have 9 months to get everything sorted so that shouldnt be a problem.

[a4wdhybrid]

i dont have any codes for sec air or the n249 valve ;)

just several other things

cel's are your friend :kissy:

so uh...whats strapped to the side of that thing?

[Ak-Abe]

:) is there any good write ups on n249. On how to take it out ? I'd rather do that and try it out before i go ahead and buy the injectors .

[Yareka]

so uh...whats strapped to the side of that thing?

2871r .86:p

[a4wdhybrid]

is that it? :p

nice :upyeah: how you like it?

whats spool like?

[Yareka]

hehe...no clue yet, I've been good and only hit 5psi one time:unhappy-angel: . Will probably run wastegate pressure by next week. I have a few things to work out on the coolant/oil return lines. Right now, my oil return is cocked close to 45degrees, and I'm scared about cooking the center section at that drain angle. I got a new oil drain 45 piece yesterday so I'll be ready to take it apart again:gt-ogb-spank:

Friday I plan to do the 500mile interval oil change, reclock the turbo with the new fitting, wrap the dp, get the 28rs file from Travis....and possibly take her up to 14psi by mid next week.

[TurboMatt]

i placed the order for the t3s60, fuel pump and fmic this morning. i need and opinon on injectors though?? will green tops be fine?

[Yareka]

rock on matt. I never ran the green tops, most everyone and their mother has run them on their bt setups. Some bitch about the spray pattern...yaddayadda, but its a 440cc.

Did you get the kit from clay?

If not, You still need to think about:

Manifold. Talk to slappynuts @ boostfactory. Looking at 225/shipped.

Downpipe: Ask slappy(chuck) if they have a dp for their mani, they were looking into having a local shop make downpipes for them. Thats a much better route than ATP.

Inlet Pipe: ATP
Vr maf from Ian: w/ silicone piece to connect these: 3" to 2.5" transition

Various Oil and Coolant Fittings:
Oil Inlet restrictor
Oil Feed Line 4an
Oil Return flange on turbo and connector for oil return line(slip on or -an)
Return line flange on oilpan
Banjo bolts for coolant: x3 I'd use slip on fittings and 3/8" hose.

[TurboMatt]

yeah i got the kit from clay. so it should have all the hardware

[a4wdhybrid]

do not use green tops

the idle was night and day compared w/ the 630's

ill see about finding a vr6 housing

[dekroon]

The ATP mani and Downpipe fitment on abes car had more clearance than the 2871/BF setup. The oil return was'nt an issue. Clocking the turbo was however.

Your probably going to have to make up a custom bracket to relocate the wastegate once the turbo is clocked properly. That and the inlet where the biggest problems in doing the t3s60 on abe's car.

I'd suggest going with the genesis injectors.

[a4wdhybrid]

i dont think the oil return was really an issue either...but it would be well worth the $$ to get -an lines/fittings and make a return as i would not trust the rubber hose/clamps that are sent w/ the kit

[TurboMatt]

yeah i probably get some made

[a4wdhybrid]

why would you pay to have -an lines made?

buy the parts and make them yourself

tons easier that way since you can test fit and can make it to fit your *exact* needs

[TurboMatt]

we have a company here at work that does them for us:oddeye-hellyeah:

[a4wdhybrid]

ok...whatever floats your boat

[TurboMatt]

ill run the rubber ones for a little while then make the steel braided ones. ian wheres the cheapest place to find the 630cc injectors?

[a4wdhybrid]

ebay

but 630's is going to be way too much fuel for a super 60

[Ak-Abe]

you need 440's or the USRT ones that are 415cc+3.5 FPR. :)

[TurboMatt]

alright guess ill start looking for some 440's

[a4wdhybrid]

do not buy the green tops or any equivalent to the green tops

you sort of seem to be jumping head first in to all of this stuff...id take it very slow and try to do as much research as possible on a product before making a purchase

[TurboMatt]

nah i meant to start looking into 440's. not buy them.

[a4wdhybrid]

ok..well..heres something to look in to

do not buy an injector that looks like this (pay no attention to the yellow..the pic is just for reference):

http://www.efimotorsport.com/images/p_23.jpg

some ppl like them..some dont..i didnt have a problem w/ them..until i used something different..then i realized what i was missing

[TurboMatt]

yeah travis and i are looking on http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsMODS.asp
right now

[a4wdhybrid]

thats just a link to their site

but im assuming youre referring to the green giants...looks like a good choice

[TurboMatt]

yeah ive been looking at those but why go to a 3.5bar fpr?

[a4wdhybrid]

the reason you would need a 3.5bar fpr would be if you are going to run the usrt 415's

415cc+3.5bar=440cc

(injectors are rated @ 3bar)

[dekroon]

those green gianst look nice, but matt pointed out the difference in the nozzles.

[TurboMatt]

:upyeah: aaahhh duh. damn it. stupid ??'s

[a4wdhybrid]

we all have massive brain farts sometimes...it happens :smack: :)

[Ak-Abe]

only if you buy the USRT you'll have to use the 3.5 FPR if you buy any 440's then 3FPR is needed. :)

[TurboMatt]

okay this is kind of a list: (check list)
T3s60 kit from clay
fuel pump
injectors-im gonna try the green giants and 3.5bar fpr
weld Down pipe on
FMIC (is the stock intercooler okay for a while??? i know kevin ran one)
boost controler ??? ill research them
eventually a turbo timer

[Ak-Abe]

concerning the boost controller. It all depends on how much you want to spend. if you are willing to spend close to 300 dollars. then go with the Greddy profec2B it is awesome i am loving it . if you are not, then go with a manual boost controller, where you can get from travis. Forge ones are good too, these are the ones that tarvis gets. It will be probably the cheapest way . Concerning turbo timers as well APexi has a really nice one which i am using i bought of ebay for 100 dollars and greddy has one too. GO with the APEXI lol . it looks better

[TurboMatt]

yeah i was considering that for a little while then going electronic?

[a4wdhybrid]

manual boost controller is fine for now...get an electronic when you get the extra $$...the forge one is nice..i run a cheap ebay mbc

those green giants are 440's..you'll only need a 3bar fpr them

the usrt (genesis) injectors are the 415's that will require a 3.5bar regulator

stock intercooler will be ok..ppl do it...you just wont be able to hammer boost out of it on a consistent basis...it will heatsoak and i imagine the stocker prob just doesnt provide enough flow for a lot of boost from a bt either

it is a total trial and error process and a huge learning curve...each car is different and responds differently to each addition...some of the stuff does apply acorss the board though :)

ive made tons of mistakes and have learned a lot about my car in the past year and a half its been bt

oh..and have fun putting that atp mani on :02gb-hammerit:

vr6 housing too

[Yareka]

it is a total trial and error process and a huge learning curve.

ive made tons of mistakes and have learned a lot about my car in the past year and a half its been bt



word:oddeye-hellyeah:

As far as the intercooler goes, I HAD to upgrade to a front mount and you will too. There is no way that atp downpipe is going to work with your stock charge pipe. Trust me, I tried. I had two different extensions welded on to the stock charge to attempt to move it over past the charge where it goes down. Any odd bend on those intercooler hoses will put a permanent kink in them once they heat up...but the main issue is theres just not enough clearance there. Ebay intercooler will do the trick.

I have a feeling I'll have to step up injectors at some point, I will probably be maxing out 440s with my setup and I'd like to be on the safe side. I might just try a 4bar fpr first since my idle is like butter now.

[a4wdhybrid]

since my idle is like butter now.
its a wonderful feeling isnt it? :D

[Yareka]

I hate thats the only thing I can brag about yet...but if you've ever had a loopy ass idle, you realize how nice it is to get things going in the right direction.

[TurboMatt]

alright i ordered the ebay fmic that thom and kevin have.:oddeye-hellyeah:. yeah i plan on running the mbc for just a couple weeks.

[a4wdhybrid]

http://42draftdesigns.com/

[TurboMatt]

:oddeye-hellyeah: thanx ian. i was just about to ask for that

[TurboMatt]

next ?. whats a good psi fuel pup to go with ,walbro?

[a4wdhybrid]

no pump is rated off psi...unless youre talking carb vs fuel injected stuff...but that should be obvious

theyre rated by flow...mostly lph

walbro 255lph or a bosch 044 unit...id love to see someone run that bosch pump...that thing looks beefy :gt-ogb-spank:

regulators on the other hand are rated by psi

[Yareka]

you'll need a quicktap from atp for your mbc boost source....unless the super60 has one on the compressor housing.

[a4wdhybrid]

super 60 has a pressure source on the compressor housing

[TurboMatt]

yeah thats what i thought

[TurboMatt]

let me think you guys again for all your help. if anyone has a bmw, benz, or porsche. feel free to ask anything. this is def. a learning experience

[Yareka]

congrats on being the fastest bt decision maker ever.

Monday "My turbo is leaking"
Tuesday "Super 60 has been ordered":gt-ogb-spank:

:dunceblock: :D

[pinky]

no pump is rated off psi...unless youre talking carb vs fuel injected stuff...but that should be obvious

theyre rated by flow...mostly lph

walbro 255lph or a bosch 044 unit...id love to see someone run that bosch pump...that thing looks beefy :gt-ogb-spank:

regulators on the other hand are rated by psi

that lph is at a certain pressure, tho... like an air compressor.. cfm (volumetric flow) @ pressure...

http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/html/fpspecs.html

[a4wdhybrid]

understood

but you dont go looking for a 60psi pump because theres no telling how much it flows @ 60psi

you look for a xxxlph pump

[TurboMatt]

okay i talked to clay for a while on the phone and we picked out a walbro pump for like $129 new

[Yareka]

thats a good deal cause you get the wiring and everything new...people sell'em on vortex for 100 w/out the wiring and relays all the time.

[TurboMatt]

i need a vr6 maf housing.... anyone got one???

[a4wdhybrid]

i can snag you one from work

or if all goes well...you can have the one off my car...except its been descreened :hrmm:

[TurboMatt]

thanx ian:loopyblonde-blinkin

[TurboMatt]

Took the turbo and manifold off today along with the intercooler and IC piping. everything came off so easy. im gonna do the joey mod while i have the head lights out. ordered the map sesor flange from 42 draft design. all is going well thus far.:oddeye-hellyeah: :oddeye-hellyeah: :oddeye-hellyeah:

[Ak-Abe]

:oddeye-hellyeah: awesome awesome.. keep us updated.

[TurboMatt]

got the green giant injectors today:oddeye-hellyeah:

[Ak-Abe]

yeya... :upyeah:

[TurboMatt]

ordered them on aug 30th and they arived today sept. 1st only $4 shipping:oddeye-hellyeah: :oddeye-hellyeah: :oddeye-hellyeah: great company