post powergasket pics

[a4wdhybrid]

i didnt have anything to do when i got home tonight...im tired of wondering what issue(s) this thing has...it was hot but im already all burned up from the beach so i said eff it...im tearing this thing apart tonight...

here are the pics of what i found...

the gasket doesnt appear to be in the best of condition...you can def tell its gotten hot a few times

there was lots of oil around cylinder three...no way this thing wasnt leaking boost

a stocker is back in place...guess ill see how the car acts tomorrow on the way to work..i still think i have some other issue to work out...i think it might be the wires/voltage going to the pump...since i spliced it twice i just had the feeling when i was putting it back together i was going to be taking it back apart...

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[pinky]

thx for your CC#

:rolleyes:

edit: how's it driving now?

[dekroon]

It looks like the sealant could of caused the issue.

[a4wdhybrid]

ahh..my brain doesnt work like that..im too sketch about ppl to start w/ anyways :smack:

id drives better...boost seems to be a lot smoother...the power was laggy then would seem to slam

still having issues that i think are fuel related...im going to tear the pump apart and solder all my connections...i think it loses power for a second or split second sometimes since sometimes it just seems to die for no apparent reason...and i had that code "fuel supply too low" i think it was and i damn sure havent run out of gas

still running rich too but im not worried about that right now

[a4wdhybrid]

It looks like the sealant could of caused the issue.
it may have caused part of the issue..but the ports on the gasket are significantly larger than the ports on the stock gasket..you can tell its expanded some

and i used a really good amount of sealant on the gasket when it was originally installed

the instructions included w/ it either said to use silicone OR double stack 2 stock gaskets and use the longer bolts

i would not use one of these again....if i were to do anything i would use the newer design or buy a different product of the same concept

[sflemon]

I may try to get a quote from the machinist we used at work on the other material, can't recall what it's called (millboard?), it's that high temp laminate wood stuff that can withstand 1000 deg C. It's cheap material and all he'd have to do is follow one of the $4 oem ones on his CNC. Prolly cost about $100 for a single run proto, see how it works. If it works get him to batch them for cheaper. I doubt it would be so much thicker it would require longer bolts.

[Yareka]

corkboard:eek: ...can i get matching drink coasters with my gasket?

[a4wdhybrid]

amount of sealant used

...i need a new mod

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b301/k0mpresd/power_gasket003-1.jpg

[gerich]

Not trying to ruffle feathers there Ian but with silicone the rule of thumb I have always been taught is a continuous 1/8th inch bead with no breaks in it. That may have been part of the issue there. Either way if there is an updated style gasket I would try that with no sealant or just go back to stock. IMO it would seem that a proper IC to cool the intake temps down would be more important than a few degrees drop on a SRI.

[a4wdhybrid]

its more than a few degrees drop...its a huge degrees drop

and the thing is that where its obvious it was leaking...top of cyl #3...is where i put the most silicone

it seems to have sealed better where i had less silicone

either way..i dont really care

its back to stock...holding about 23-24psi (pump gas :eek:) in 2nd and 3rd gear which is more than i could get out of it before

i dont think ill ever buy anymore newsouth products though...as i left steve a msg and he never called me back...which i find kind of strange since ive left msg's before and hes always called back :confused:

[TurboMatt]

glad to hear its running better

[a4wdhybrid]

thanks

its doing better

it still randomly goes lean under just light throttle cruising...im lost on that one...everything else seems to be ok though

the motor seems to have a different sound now too..seems to scream a little more

when i get a chance to work on it when its cold im going to remove the manifold>turbo gasket..less chance of an exhaust leak...im trying to just clean up a few minor things..make me feel better

[TurboMatt]

lets see how it does at the track sometime, but i will not be running for a while:(

[a4wdhybrid]

i honestly dont really care about the track anymore

i cant drive...obviously :(

but i drive the car everyday and get enjoyment from that and thats all that really matters to me

[TurboMatt]

but i drive the car everyday and get enjoyment from that and thats all that really matters to me

very true

[evan@absolute]

i honestly dont really care about the track anymore

i cant drive...obviously :(

but i drive the car everyday and get enjoyment from that and thats all that really matters to me
oh come on Ian. I said I'd run in "stock" mode. After that I think I'll run a mk4 in valet:oddeye-hellyeah:

[a4wdhybrid]

the only time ive had an enjoyable experience @ the track was the first time i went to piedmont

ever since i went to the track last time ive been having all these small little issues

i cant afford it...i need to have a reliable car everyday to drive

if i had a second car..cool...i could drive it..but this thing is my dd

[NewSouth]

and i used a really good amount of sealant on the gasket when it was originally installed

the instructions included w/ it either said to use silicone OR double stack 2 stock gaskets and use the longer bolts

Not trying to ruffle feathers there Ian but with silicone the rule of thumb I have always been taught is a continuous 1/8th inch bead with no breaks in it


and the thing is that where its obvious it was leaking...top of cyl #3...is where i put the most silicone

it seems to have sealed better where i had less silicone

i dont think ill ever buy anymore newsouth products though...as i left steve a msg and he never called me back...which i find kind of strange since ive left msg's before and hes always called back :confused:

The reason your PowerGasket failed is because you put way too much sealer on it. That was apparent from your pictures and the comment that you made about the cyl #3 failing.

I don't know whose directions you were reading, but they were not ours. We NEVER recommend silicone (potential problems with the O2 sensor) or sandwiching our PowerGasket with 2 OEM gaskets. We recommended that you only put a very light coat of sealant, smearing it on (like fingerpainting).

We've seen this several times and its one of the reasons that we switched to the new version.

The new PowerGasket Plus material does not require you to use sealer and it has a higher operating temperature. Unlike the material that sflemon is looking at we do not need 2 OEM gaskets to get a seal, which also requires longer bolts and can create interference issures.

sflemon, the material does not have a 1000C continous operating temp - not at those prices and not made of wood laminate. I've done extensive research into the materials that you are describing. To get material with as high an operating temperature as our stuff, its more costly than ours. That is why we rejected that route and went with a simpler and less expensive solution that was easy to install, fewer parts, no interference problems and fewer potential sources for leakage.

Ian - As for me not replying to you, I still have your voice mail on my machine, but I was swamped at the time and then got hit with a very painful condition that did not allow me to work until late this week.

If you want a new version of the PowerGasket, email me with your address(info@newsouthperformance.com) and we will send you one.

[a4wdhybrid]

a new gasket would be awesome and very much appreciated :) but its not neccessary since it looks like my install was what went wrong

and like i said in the message..i really like the product and it really does work..the intake mani temp is night and day

as for my installation..i was going @ it blind for the most part...but i swear the instructions i had said use sealant (and it didnt mention fingerpainting it) or stock gaskets and use the longer bolts...of course..i could always just be :gt-bb-chongin: since its been a while since ive read them and i threw them away a week or so ago

a lot of what i "learn" comes from me effing up and having to go back and figure out what i did wrong...i always learn the hard way :smack:

[zooyork155]

Big ups to Steve :oddeye-hellyeah:

[a4wdhybrid]

Big ups to Steve :oddeye-hellyeah:
very big ups to steve :cool:

[Vampire Cockroach]

dude steve's products are amazing... my car CAME with the gasket and its been amazing performance with every mod ive put on it... that gasket is seriously paramount to the performance of the 1.8t

BIG UPS MAN

[sflemon]

Awesome, new revision, I'll be up for that when I get paid.:upyeah:

I just heard a guy used the stuff for his custom apps and was interested, didn't know much. He runs a machine shop in Charlotte and works with a lot of inconel (spelling?) manifolds, Top Fuel chassis, funny car chassis, etc.......
I don't know what the stuff is, but we used it at work for putting stuff on you're heating up with a heat gun. It looked and cut like wood, but am sure it wasn't.

Here is the stuff: Millboard, looks like it can take the heat to me, wouldn't work well as thin manifold material. The directions for use are examples of using as heat shields in high temp machining environments.

Standard Temperature— 40" x 40" Sheet Size • Temperature Range: 0° to 1382° F
• Color: Beige • Heat Flow Rate: 1.04 Btu/hr. x in./sq. ft. @ 752° F Made of mineral fibers and fillers with an organic binder. Use indoors and install with screws and washers. Density is 59 lbs./cu. ft. Thick. Each
1/16" 9362K16 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR207%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2071%2 7,%279362K16%27%29;) $18.20 1/8" 9362K11 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR208%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2081%2 7,%279362K11%27%29;) 29.24 3/16" 9362K12 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR209%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2091%2 7,%279362K12%27%29;) 36.82 Thick. Each
1/4" 9362K13 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR211%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2111%2 7,%279362K13%27%29;) $54.13 3/8" 9362K14 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR212%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2121%2 7,%279362K14%27%29;) 72.27 1/2" 9362K15 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR213%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2131%2 7,%279362K15%27%29;) 85.67

Extra-High Temperature— 55" x 55" Sheet Size • Temperature Range: 0° to 2000° F
• Color: Off-white • Heat Flow Rate: 0.73 Btu/hr. x in./sq. ft. @ 800° F These sheets offer high temperature endurance, as well as good chemical resistance. Made of ceramic fibers, clay, inert fillers, and organic binders. For indoor use only. Install using metal pins or anchors. Density is 35 lbs./cu. ft. Thick. Each
1/16" 9390K11 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR222%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2221%2 7,%279390K11%27%29;) $29.93 1/8" 9390K12 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR223%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2231%2 7,%279390K12%27%29;) 62.58 Thick. Each
3/16" 9390K13 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR225%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2251%2 7,%279390K13%27%29;) $96.89 1/4" 9390K14 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:TargetLink%28%27TR226%27,%27tr%27,%27PT2261%2 7,%279390K14%27%29;) 117.71

[Ak-Abe]

Is it worth it to change from the older version to the knew version . .?

[a4wdhybrid]

i am merely posting information

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2825476

[NewSouth]

i am merely posting information

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2825476

Yep - saw it.

These apparent "at random" failures were another reason why we switched to the new material. Some folks have gone years without failure and others couldn't get it to seal when it was being installed. We chalked it up to inconsistencies in the manufacture of the material, both in chemical content and the inability of the manufacturer to make a consistent thickness of material in the extrusion and cutting process.